T&F Hall of Fame Nomination

This poster:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/58656526/650763162

In response to this poster:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/58656526/650760983

It took a while to get the context, but now that I see it, that's pretty funny! I think that qualifies.

Edit: It's up!

https://sites.google.com/site/tria1andfai1ur3/home/t-f-hall-of-fame

Another nomination.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/58951144

I nominate Mario_Bones in response to AP3Brain.

I would separately post the replies, but other users responded, and they talk for quite a while.

PrinceGameNerd wrote:Another nomination.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/58951144

I nominate Mario_Bones in response to AP3Brain.

I would separately post the replies, but other users responded, and they talk for quite a while.

That's up too:

https://sites.google.com/site/tria1andfai1ur3/home/t-f-hall-of-fame

I was about to not add him/her, but I can look past his/her attitude.

Admin wrote:

PrinceGameNerd wrote:Another nomination.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/58951144

I nominate Mario_Bones in response to AP3Brain.

I would separately post the replies, but other users responded, and they talk for quite a while.

That's up too:

https://sites.google.com/site/tria1andfai1ur3/home/t-f-hall-of-fame

I was about to not add him/her, but I can look past his/her attitude.

Wait...didn't sokpupet swear?

And you made a slight typo.

Awardee #4: Mario_Bones of GameFAQs
Date received: Friday, April 29, 2011
Awarded for: Realizing that an old game with completely new features is s new game

EDIT: I told Mario_Bones that he was awarded into the T&F hall of fame. I'm allowed to do that, riiiiiight?

PrinceGameNerd wrote:

Admin wrote:

PrinceGameNerd wrote:Another nomination.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/58951144

I nominate Mario_Bones in response to AP3Brain.

I would separately post the replies, but other users responded, and they talk for quite a while.

That's up too:

https://sites.google.com/site/tria1andfai1ur3/home/t-f-hall-of-fame

I was about to not add him/her, but I can look past his/her attitude.

Wait...didn't sokpupet swear?

And you made a slight typo.

Awardee #4: Mario_Bones of GameFAQs
Date received: Friday, April 29, 2011
Awarded for: Realizing that an old game with completely new features is s new game

EDIT: I told Mario_Bones that he was awarded into the T&F hall of fame. I'm allowed to do that, riiiiiight?

1. You're right, but that was more of a punctual thing than the actual comment. Either way, I'm willing to look past both instances.

2. Thank you for pointing that out; I'll change that real quick.

3. No problem; I should be the one thanking you! Trial and Failure could use all the publicity it gets.

I'm amazed at the growing amount of logic on GameFAQs.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59037435/655391273

Rush_Hour_3_ftw posted...
^Nintendo designed the system.
I guess it's their fault for using kiddie toy like material. Nintendo isn't even good at making toys anymore

Rush_Hour_3_ftw posted...
I'm not trolling.
Nintendo isn't good at making their kiddy toy systems anymore. This is fact.
You all are fanboys in denial.


[Sakurafanboy]
I know you're just trollololololing us but I'll play along; you're saying NO other system has had defects early in their lifetimes? Are you new to electronics? There's always going to be lemons, especially at the start. 360s had very bad problems with RRoDs at first, PS3s overheated easily (Though this was much less common than 360s RRoDs), DSLites had weak hinges, PSPs had dead pixels (at least I did, not sure if it was a widespread problem or if I just got unlucky), etc. Its nothing to shame Nintendo on. Its just how electronics are.

One more

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997842-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/59021743

The italics is johnnybazookabo.

[SnowBrigadier]
Actually, Zelda's Lullaby comes from ALttP, not OoT. Also, I wouldn't read too much into the fact that a Skyward Sword trailer uses one of the most iconic tunes in the series. It's just a fun Easter egg.


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[johnnybazookabo]
Actually it first appeared in Zelda: A link to the past

That's what I said, yes.


and every other Zelda game since! But its the main theme for Oot!

Eh, it hasn't been in every Zelda game after ALttP, but it is indeed quite common.


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Again it has appeared in every other game. Please refer to
[Wikipedia]
Nowhere in that article is it stated that the song has appeared in every Zelda Zelda game after ALttP (or OoT, for that matter). In fact, it pretty much confirms that the song doesn't show up in Link's Awakening, Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons and Four Swords.


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Look at the side boxes where it says 'Appearances' and it lists all the games that it appears in. Above it there is a 'first appeared box' too!

Yes, and that very box does indeed omit Link's Awakening, Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons and Four Swords. Thus, it has not been in every game since ALttP, as confirmed by the very article you linked to.

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And i said 'every other' zelda game. Im sure spin offs from the series dont count.

Those games aren't spin-offs; they're all part of the main series.

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Actually four swords, four sword adventures and minish cap is set way before and way after the main story arc of the other games. You are correct about Links: awakening however

While it's true that Minish Cap is an origins story, both Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures are heavily implied to be prequels to ALttP. Either way, they're all still just as canon as any other game in the series, which means that they aren't spin-offs.


A there has never been a mention about where the Oracles games sit in the timeline. So most assume they are separate stories.

Actually, there have been mentions about their placement, although they're all from before the games were released. Either way, they're widely regarded to take place after AoL due to in-game evidence and original intent.

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Yeah. But thats not confirmed about four swords. And im sure u know what im talking about. Story arc wise. Im not being unrealistic about what ive said. And to end- just thought it was a cool easter egg worth sharing for fans! Bring on the 3D zelda goodness!

I do think it's silly to deem a number of games in the series as spin-offs when they're as canon as any other game. You might think they're irrelevant from a story perspective, but that argument could be made for the NES games as well, and I don't think anyone would call those spin-offs. Besides, my point was that the lullaby hasn't been in every Zelda game prior to its first appearance, which is true.


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Spin-offs was prob a harsh word to use. Just meant they are separate stories in their own right. Set in completely diff time lines. All the others can relate to each other far better.

But they're not set in different timelines, though. They relate to the other games in the series just as much as, say, LoZ and AoL do.


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No they dont in my opinion! Yes it's Zelda but i wouldnt catagorize them in the same series or arc as the others. Others can agree or disagree. But that is how i see it!

They are part of the same timeline or story arc as the others, regardless of what you think. They're at least as relevant to the story as the NES games. Furthermore, my point was that it hasn't appeared in every Zelda game, which is an inarguable fact.


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No one said 'every' game. I believe 'every other game' was said!

I said that not every game in the series after ALttP features Zelda's Lullaby, and then you tried to argue against that. Also, as stated above, "every other Zelda game since" means either "all Zelda games made after ALttP" or "all Zelda games in alternating order made after ALttP", which is false regardless of how you interpret it.


AND my OPINION cant be wrong as the very nature of opinion is to have a personal point of view! In your opinion my opinion may be wrong or different from your opinion. And i stand by my OPINION!

Actually, as other have already pointed out, an opinion can be wrong. The world doesn't become flat just because it's your opinion that it's your opinion that it is.


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I added the first one. Nice find!

https://sites.google.com/site/tria1andfai1ur3/home/t-f-hall-of-fame

Wait, now people are calling Sakurafanboy a troll.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59051846

I'M CONFUSED

PrinceGameNerd wrote:Wait, now people are Sakurafanboy a troll.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59051846

I'M CONFUSED

Oh well. Even trolls can have moments of justice.

More logic:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59103791

(Underlined is PolluxFrost47, the user I'm nominating.)

From: Bearpowers | #008
Twisted Metal PS3, Uncharted 3, The Last Guardian. FF13 Versus, NGP trailers, NGP demos, NGP news, some new games for PS3+NGP+PSP.

It's gonna be a fantastic E3 for both Sony and Nintendo.

Microsofts is gonna blow with just crap for Kinect and Gears 3.

I expect them to try and buy timed exclusivity for the next CoD so they don't look as pathetic.
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[Tsavong Lah]
So, a bad care game. Another shooter that I have 100 of, some game that derives its name from final fantasy, a spinoff of a bad final fantasy game, and a handheld thats destined to flop?

**** YEAH I CANT WAIT FOR SONY


[PolluxFrost47]
Tsavong Lah posted...
Another shooter that I have 100 of [...] a spinoff of a bad final fantasy game, and a handheld thats destined to flop?
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[i]1- If you're going to trivialize Uncharted in such a way, then the same can be done for pretty much every game, ever. New Mario? *yawn* just another platformer. New Zleda? *yawn, just another adventure game. New R* game? *yawn, just another sandbox. New Gran Turismo? *yawn* just another racing game.

2- It's not a spin-off; it's been planned since the beginning, the story and characters are completely unrelated to FFXIII, it has completely different gameplay, and it's being made by a very talented man.

Seriously, have you done any research on this game?

3- how do you know it's going to flop?[/i]

Even more logic:

Meech55 posted...
LOL a re-make and a glorified multiplayer game. Plus a bunch of rumours? That is hardly the month of Nintendo.
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The first remake of what is arguably the greatest game of all time, with brand new graphics, 3D, and a bunch of extras, some announced, some unannounced. And, despite your own personal opinion, absolutely tons of people are excited, and the game is going to sell more systems, too.

Now, what rumors are you talking about? Nintendo will be unveiling new games; has there ever been an E3 where one of the big game companies didn't announce any actual titles? Also, Project Cafe is not a rumor; it's been stated by Nintendo that they will have a playable demo unit and will announce specs and hardware.

Again, what does the competition have? Sony has NGP, which has already been announced. It'll be big, but Cafe will most certainly give it a run for its money. Anything else? What about M$?

Even if it's not a great month for Nintendo (to which I would disagree), they're projected to be doing a lot more than the competition.


Oh, and TC, the eShop for 3DS is coming out in June.

PrinceGameNerd wrote:More logic:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59103791

(Underlined is PolluxFrost47, the user I'm nominating.)

From: Bearpowers | #008
Twisted Metal PS3, Uncharted 3, The Last Guardian. FF13 Versus, NGP trailers, NGP demos, NGP news, some new games for PS3+NGP+PSP.

It's gonna be a fantastic E3 for both Sony and Nintendo.

Microsofts is gonna blow with just crap for Kinect and Gears 3.

I expect them to try and buy timed exclusivity for the next CoD so they don't look as pathetic.
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[Tsavong Lah]
So, a bad care game. Another shooter that I have 100 of, some game that derives its name from final fantasy, a spinoff of a bad final fantasy game, and a handheld thats destined to flop?

**** YEAH I CANT WAIT FOR SONY


[PolluxFrost47]
Tsavong Lah posted...
Another shooter that I have 100 of [...] a spinoff of a bad final fantasy game, and a handheld thats destined to flop?
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[i]1- If you're going to trivialize Uncharted in such a way, then the same can be done for pretty much every game, ever. New Mario? *yawn* just another platformer. New Zleda? *yawn, just another adventure game. New R* game? *yawn, just another sandbox. New Gran Turismo? *yawn* just another racing game.

2- It's not a spin-off; it's been planned since the beginning, the story and characters are completely unrelated to FFXIII, it has completely different gameplay, and it's being made by a very talented man.

Seriously, have you done any research on this game?

3- how do you know it's going to flop?[/i]

Even more logic:

Meech55 posted...
LOL a re-make and a glorified multiplayer game. Plus a bunch of rumours? That is hardly the month of Nintendo.
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The first remake of what is arguably the greatest game of all time, with brand new graphics, 3D, and a bunch of extras, some announced, some unannounced. And, despite your own personal opinion, absolutely tons of people are excited, and the game is going to sell more systems, too.

Now, what rumors are you talking about? Nintendo will be unveiling new games; has there ever been an E3 where one of the big game companies didn't announce any actual titles? Also, Project Cafe is not a rumor; it's been stated by Nintendo that they will have a playable demo unit and will announce specs and hardware.

Again, what does the competition have? Sony has NGP, which has already been announced. It'll be big, but Cafe will most certainly give it a run for its money. Anything else? What about M$?

Even if it's not a great month for Nintendo (to which I would disagree), they're projected to be doing a lot more than the competition.


Oh, and TC, the eShop for 3DS is coming out in June.

That first one is definitely worthy of mention. For the second one, though, any game can arguably be the best ever created. I can see how many people wouldn't care about the Legend of Zelda.

As for the award, I'll edit this post once it's done.

Edit: Thanks for the suggestion!

https://sites.google.com/site/tria1andfai1ur3/home/t-f-hall-of-fame

That first one is definitely worthy of mention. For the second one, though, any game can arguably be the best ever created. I can see how many people wouldn't care about the Legend of Zelda.

As for the award, I'll edit this post once it's done.

Er...Ocarina of Time IS one the games many people say is the best ever created. I haven't actually finished it myself though, so don't think I'm biased.

PrinceGameNerd wrote:

That first one is definitely worthy of mention. For the second one, though, any game can arguably be the best ever created. I can see how many people wouldn't care about the Legend of Zelda.

As for the award, I'll edit this post once it's done.

Er...Ocarina of Time IS one the games many people say is the best ever created. I haven't actually finished it myself though, so don't think I'm biased.

I know. But I don't find that relevant to this. And I'm sorry if I came off as saying you were biased, that's not what I was going for.

Even MORE logic. I nominate shampoowarrior is repsonse to Vyers.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59160193


shampoowarrior posted...
Man, I'm not sure I want to even touch this one. But whatever.

The 3DS release date was fine. The "bad press" didn't stop the system from selling 3.6 million units and having two platinum games in less than a month.

As for people complaining about "no killer apps" and "the 3DS wasn't ready because the e-store isn't out yet," that's a bit ridiculous. Those are legitimate reasons for you to not pick it up until your demands are met, but I bought mine at the midnight release and haven't regretted it for a second.

That fact is, its primary function—that being playing 3DS games—was fully operational out of the door. I, and many other people, bought the 3DS to play 3DS games and walked into the store where we bought it knowing exactly what games were available and when. If there was no e-store announced at all, I still would have bought the 3DS to, again, play 3DS games on it.

You know what a worse move would be than releasing it with a paltry 14 launch games, that not including Face Raiders and the AR demos, and no e-shop? Having a functioning product finished on the date they announced, and not releasing it until the e-shop was ready.

And possibly LightHawKnight, but I'll let you decide on that.

PrinceGameNerd wrote:Even MORE logic. I nominate shampoowarrior is repsonse to Vyers.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59160193


shampoowarrior posted...
Man, I'm not sure I want to even touch this one. But whatever.

The 3DS release date was fine. The "bad press" didn't stop the system from selling 3.6 million units and having two platinum games in less than a month.

As for people complaining about "no killer apps" and "the 3DS wasn't ready because the e-store isn't out yet," that's a bit ridiculous. Those are legitimate reasons for you to not pick it up until your demands are met, but I bought mine at the midnight release and haven't regretted it for a second.

That fact is, its primary function—that being playing 3DS games—was fully operational out of the door. I, and many other people, bought the 3DS to play 3DS games and walked into the store where we bought it knowing exactly what games were available and when. If there was no e-store announced at all, I still would have bought the 3DS to, again, play 3DS games on it.

You know what a worse move would be than releasing it with a paltry 14 launch games, that not including Face Raiders and the AR demos, and no e-shop? Having a functioning product finished on the date they announced, and not releasing it until the e-shop was ready.

And possibly LightHawKnight, but I'll let you decide on that.

Hm...I'm not sure I agree with ShampooWarrior. I understand where he's coming from, but if a company makes a promise to have a feature, releasing before it's ready seems a bit...bad, I guess.

But that's just me.

How about these people?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59188286

3 people in response to Nnamz. Underline is LightHawKnight, Italics is RC Cruz me , and Bold is Starwars4J.

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From: Nnamz | #009
They say it because it is. The raw materials to produce a 3DS costs $100 less than Nintendo is selling it for. This is unheard of at launch.

Meanwhile, NGP will launch with vastly superior and expensive tech, so much so that Sony will be forced to sell it at a loss just so we don't pay massive prices, yet people are still gonna complain about it.

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And R&D costs nothing, shipping costs nothing, advertisement costs nothing, the workers do not need to get paid, stores do not need to make money themselves, and packaging costs nothing. I mean everything else is free, just the materials costs money.

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From: Nnamz | Posted: 5/20/2011 7:37:22 PM | #009
They say it because it is. The raw materials to produce a 3DS costs $100 less than Nintendo is selling it for. This is unheard of at launch.

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Except Nintendo always makes a profit from their systems sold, also, you are forgetting everything like labor, shipping, and the retailers need to get a cut as well. When will people stop bringing this up?

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LightHawKnight posted...
From: Nnamz | #009
They say it because it is. The raw materials to produce a 3DS costs $100 less than Nintendo is selling it for. This is unheard of at launch.

Meanwhile, NGP will launch with vastly superior and expensive tech, so much so that Sony will be forced to sell it at a loss just so we don't pay massive prices, yet people are still gonna complain about it.
And R&D costs nothing, shipping costs nothing, advertisement costs nothing, the workers do not need to get paid, stores do not need to make money themselves, and packaging costs nothing. I mean everything else is free, just the materials costs money.

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Not to mention most devices do indeed at least double the cost of production. Hell look how cheap iPod touches and iPads are to produce.

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(This is all Nnamz)

LightHawKnight


And R&D costs nothing, shipping costs nothing, advertisement costs nothing, the workers do not need to get paid, stores do not need to make money themselves, and packaging costs nothing. I mean everything else is free, just the materials costs money.

And you think making less than $100 off the hardware AT LAUNCH will somehow ruin Nintendo? How has Sony survived this whole while selling hardware at a loss. Microsoft too?

SOFTWARE! The 3DS could easily cost $199 and Nintendo will still make $50 on every unit (which is amazing by the industry standard) and still make money off hardware. Instead they marked it up $100.

It's overpriced.


RC Cruz me


Except Nintendo always makes a profit from their systems sold

#1. Not this much profit. (as far as I know)

#2. Just because they always do doesn't make it less wrong. I'm not asking them to sell it at a loss, but a $100 profit is absurd considering they make the vast majority of their money off software anyway.

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Sony has survived, but barely, you think all companies work like Sony does and like to make little money and infact start in a huge amount of debt before making anything?


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They are huge companies who have been taking hits in their gaming division until recently, this article was written in June 2010, and Sony says after taking a loss for 4 years, they finally made a profit
http://www.1up.com/news/sony-finally-profiting-ps3-sold

SOFTWARE!


Developers need their cut, so do retailers, I don't know how much money they see from it, but Sony was in debt until recently for the PS3 so it can't be that much. When it first came out, the $500 model was sold at a $306 loss
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2006/11/8239.ars
So lets be very very generous, and say that Sony gets $20 per game. That would mean you would have to buy 15 games for them to make up for that cost. There definitely was not 15 games worth owning the first couple of years it came out.

#1. Not this much profit. (as far as I know)


So? Nintendo is a business, they are out to make money, and the device had sold well, especially since it just came out, and there aren't exactly any AAA games out yet.

#2. Just because they always do doesn't make it less wrong. I'm not asking them to sell it at a loss, but a $100 profit is absurd considering they make the vast majority of their money off software anyway.


It isn't wrong, its business, you aren't forced to buy it. It might not be worth it to you at its price range and current selection of games, okay, but it sure isn't 'wrong'

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They argue on for a very long time and I'm not going to copy paste all of it.

It seems like Sarevokmb beat them to it.

Admin wrote:It seems like Sarevokmb beat them to it.

I forgot about sarevokmb >_>

And now he has shown logic yet again.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59288547

bigstar66 posted...
Wii - Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
DS - Super Mario 64
GCN - Super Smash Bros. Melee
N64 - Super Mario 64

I'm not asking for a crapload of amazing games at release. But not ONE?


sarevokmb posted...
Pathetic troll is pathetic.

3DS - Samurai Warriors, SSFIV3D, DOA:D....

With the exception of Melee, the 3DS's launch window games are way better than the ones you mentioned.

PrinceGameNerd wrote:And now he has shown logic yet again.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/59288547

bigstar66 posted...
Wii - Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
DS - Super Mario 64
GCN - Super Smash Bros. Melee
N64 - Super Mario 64

I'm not asking for a crapload of amazing games at release. But not ONE?


sarevokmb posted...
Pathetic troll is pathetic.

3DS - Samurai Warriors, SSFIV3D, DOA:D....

With the exception of Melee, the 3DS's launch window games are way better than the ones you mentioned.

I'm not exactly seeing the logic in what you quoted. Not that it's illogical, it's just that this all looks like opinions.

I had this long explanation, but then my Internet disconnected, so it wasn't sent.

What about THIS person? I nominate GigaRaver.

Topic:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/59442341
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=115228&page=1

GigaRaver's response:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/59442341/660195090
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/59442341/660195112

PrinceGameNerd wrote:What about THIS person? I nominate GigaRaver.

Topic:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/59442341
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=115228&page=1

GigaRaver's response:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/59442341/660195090
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/59442341/660195112

Great find!

https://sites.google.com/site/tria1andfai1ur3/articles/article-rants/-an-open-latter-to-sakurai

I nominate Second_Chances:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/60137981/669054992

Topic:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-3ds/60137981

I also request the article in the TC's post, if you have time.